PAIN FREE WITH DR ROBERT MORSE

Hi Nicholas

I had my appointment with the doc and i saw your message before going there so i got it all taken care of. I have a new appointment again next friday where he will have my tests back from the lab so we can talk about the results.... Ill talk to him about the bun and creatinine then.

My blood pressures are 129/74 left arm, 126/72 right arm... So i guess the bottom number is a little too high still? It is down from 142/83 right arm a few months ago and we agreed today that its getting much better so i can stay off the hypertension med. Victory!! So what can i do to bring it down the blood more or will it just go down by itself as i keep going?

Almost got the forms done for you...Its nice i dont have to print and scan them to you lol

Ill read the info on breathing. Thanks for all the help again

RoseKa wrote:Hi Nicholas

I had my appointment with the doc and i saw your message before going there so i got it all taken care of. I have a new appointment again next friday where he will have my tests back from the lab so we can talk about the results.... Ill talk to him about the bun and creatinine then.

My blood pressures are 129/74 left arm, 126/72 right arm... So i guess the bottom number is a little too high still? It is down from 142/83 right arm a few months ago and we agreed today that its getting much better so i can stay off the hypertension med. Victory!! So what can i do to bring it down the blood more or will it just go down by itself as i keep going?

Almost got the forms done for you...Its nice i dont have to print and scan them to you lol

Ill read the info on breathing. Thanks for all the help again

Hiya!

Sounds like your appointment went well.

I see your blood pressure certainly has improved. It's still just slightly on the high side, but tell you what, my take is if you keep up the good work with the diet and preferably implement the deep breathing techniques, you should see your blood pressure coming down within 1-2 months if not much sooner. That's a given as long as the excess pressure is relieved within your kidneys and it seems like you've been able to make progress in that direction thus far. Hypertension is among the easiest of health issues to reverse if you know what to do, and changing your diet is about all you've done so far which alone has brought great results. So keep going.

Should you want to help it along, then you can refer to the suggestions in the corresponding [blood pressure] PDF from my previous post.

It would be great if you either know someone with a sphygmomanometer (who comes up with these names!?) aka. blood pressure device, or if you could acquire one for yourself so you can keep track of your blood pressure at home. If you use any of the herbal recommendations to help relieve the pressure, then I'd really suggest getting a device because the pressure could be brought down faster than projected.

Have yet another splendid weekend.

Hi hi
I had a good weekend. Hope you did too.

More success! I can now pour warm water on the whole vulva without the pain increasing... It just stays the same now. In the beginning i had to quickly get used to showering in lukewarm/coldish water because warm water would cause the pain to flare and sting badly leaving me miserable and crying. So i was really scared to point the shower head down there to test but i went ahead and did it. This has made my week and im very grateful

I have a question about my diet. Ive been trying to be strict with just fruits, salads and juicing...My hubby was thinking about inviting me out to a restaurant when my situation improves a little more since we havent done that in ages because of this problem. Id love to do it but id also love to avoid a pain flare if i happen to eat something "wrong". Also i dont want to cause a setback with all the progress ive made so far. I wont do any meat or poultry at least before the vulva pain is fully gone... Are there any other foods i should stay away from if i go to a restaurant for the time being?? What do you think?

I think i know someone with one of those things for blood pressure, but its one of the old school ones... Are they good enough? I also think i can get a digital one no problem. Ill see.

I wanted to ask you, if you had to suggest something we could put directly on the vulva area for maybe some pain relief or maybe to speed up the healing what would you recommend? I know you dont suggest the steroid creams or antibiotic creams... I thought this would be good to know in case i do have a pain flare up

Ill get the breathing going!

RoseKa wrote:Hi hi
I had a good weekend. Hope you did too.

More success! I can now pour warm water on the whole vulva without the pain increasing... It just stays the same now. In the beginning i had to quickly get used to showering in lukewarm/coldish water because warm water would cause the pain to flare and sting badly leaving me miserable and crying. So i was really scared to point the shower head down there to test but i went ahead and did it. This has made my week and im very grateful

I have a question about my diet. Ive been trying to be strict with just fruits, salads and juicing...My hubby was thinking about inviting me out to a restaurant when my situation improves a little more since we havent done that in ages because of this problem. Id love to do it but id also love to avoid a pain flare if i happen to eat something "wrong". Also i dont want to cause a setback with all the progress ive made so far. I wont do any meat or poultry at least before the vulva pain is fully gone... Are there any other foods i should stay away from if i go to a restaurant for the time being?? What do you think?

I think i know someone with one of those things for blood pressure, but its one of the old school ones... Are they good enough? I also think i can get a digital one no problem. Ill see.

I wanted to ask you, if you had to suggest something we could put directly on the vulva area for maybe some pain relief or maybe to speed up the healing what would you recommend? I know you dont suggest the steroid creams or antibiotic creams... I thought this would be good to know in case i do have a pain flare up

Ill get the breathing going!

Hey Roseka,

I did.

And fabulous news; thanks for sharing that. It's first when you lose the ability to do certain things that you truly realize what frustration and impact it has when you can't. If you then manage to reclaim the ability to do it, then chances are you'll make sure not to lose it again.

Good question about the diet. I will say this: IF you're prone to flaring, you must understand that what can trigger it will differ from person to person depending on sensitivity levels, the chemistry already in the interstitial spaces (the spaces around each cell) and other potential factors.

The kind of foods we generally see causing pain flares (outside of vulvodynia) are protein-rich foods (also including nuts, seeds, certain grains, legumes, eggs, etc.), nightshades, and hot spices. If you're really sensitive, unripe and acid type fruits will also do it.

Now the above only factors in natural foods; then you have all the additives, preservatives, and other synthetic chemicals added to the overly-processed foods people consume (in a restaurant scenario, think dressings, sauces, ketchup, seasoning blends, etc.).

So, in your case, I'd suggest holding back on spices and high-protein foods. From there you do the best you can while you "have a ball!" (i.e. a "cheat" meal) as Dr. West called it. Enjoy yourself. You'll be fine.
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Okay, now when we've got the diet and lifestyle in order - which lays the foundation for healing at the root level - then, if we need it, we can begin looking at certain measures of symptom-management for relief or things you can utilize to hasten the healing process, while addressing the root cause simultaneously (which is what you're doing).

When using topical/external applications in this way, we should make sure we're using natural products/ingredients which won't suppress symptoms while contributing to the worsening of the problem at the same time. Remember, what goes on the skin absorbs through the skin bringing it into the body. So when the ingredients list on the product(s) you're applying looks like a laboratory/chemistry experiment, then I'd toss it quick and replace it with natural alternatives.

So, what can you apply directly within or just around (if too sensitive) the vulvar region? Well, I could make a few suggestions and I'm sure there are many more things I'm unaware of at this point that are useful. Note that I wouldn't suggest the use of much oil (e.g. castor oil, coconut oil, olive oil, etc.) nor would I suggest much use of creams and lotions for this purpose.

1.) Dr. Morse's 'Skin/Burn Salve'
- http://grapegate.com/skin-burn-salve
2.) Dr. Morse's 'Healing Salve'
- http://grapegate.com/healing-salve
3.) John W. Keim's 'Burns & Wounds' ointment
- http://www.betterthangreens.com/catalog_230.html
4.) Dr. Morse's 'Heal-All Tea' (a.: applied as compress; or b.: brewed and poured into bathtub filled with water, then soak whole body in it)
- http://grapegate.com/heal-all-tea
-- [Heal-All Tea bath] see page 10: http://grapegate.com/wp-content/uploads/Skin-Relief-Burns.pdf
5.) Calendula flower infusion compress
- http://grapegate.com/herbal-recipes#calendulaflowerinfusion
-- to see the basic process of making an infusion with images, see here: http://grapegate.com/making-an-herbal-infusion-stinging-nettle-herb
6.) Marshmallow root cold infusion compress
- http://grapegate.com/herbal-recipes#marshmallowrootcoldinfusion
7.) Chickweed (a.: freshly picked and blended with water, then soak a cloth in it and apply; or b.: freshly picked leaves mashed into a paste using mortar and pestle, then applied directly; or c.: chickweed bath)
- http://www.ediblewildfood.com/chickweed.aspx
-- [chickweed bath] see page page 3: http://grapegate.com/wp-content/uploads/Skin-Relief-Burns.pdf
8.) A paste of bentonite clay, water and lavender ('lavandula officinalis' only) essential oil
9.) Biomagnetic (systemic/localized) therapy

You may have to apply the compresses once the liquid or cloth has cooled down as the heat may be uncomfortable. The marshmallow cold infusion is, as the name implies, cold, thus no worries there.

The salves can be alternated (say, apply one earlier in the day, apply the next one later in the day).

The biomagnetic therapy home-use requisites I use are those offered by Peter Kulish’s company, www.BiomagScience.net. You can take a look and see what it's all about. They use the magnets for you-name-it (with written applications for 150+ Specific health conditions in Peter Kulish's book) and they have a great Yahoo support group. The interesting part for me with the magnets is I'm slowly learning (through the International Academy of Lymphology's Applied Lymphology course mentioned earlier) how we can do what the magnets do, but WITHOUT the magnets or any other products. At the same time I do see that using some of these products may be easier with young children or anyone else that may have difficulty applying the techniques learned (through the I.A.L.), unless someone has time to manually work on these individuals frequently. Fascinating stuff! Nonetheless, the magnets are excellent for pain relief of all kinds and will support tissue-healing.

So there you have some options to choose from, and these are more tools than most will ever need for this purpose. Depending on what you choose, I would acquire and rotate 2-3 of the items on the list.

When you get to part 3 of the 'Your Breath of Life' article you can incorporate techniques #3 and #4.

Hope some of this helps you and/or someone else. Just ask if there anything.

P.S.: If you manage to pull the pain out completely in time using any of the aforementioned tools, then continue for at least another 7-14 days to make sure the tissues heal well and the pain doesn't return after you stop. From there on, you simply devise and maintain a health-conducive lifestyle and abstain from defiling your body with harmful foods (of course the occasional treat is no problem) and toxic body care products. You have then fulfilled the conditions of health and can consider yourself truly healed or having effectuated a satisfactory recovery, at the root level, if you will. Where you realistically wish to take things next will be entirely up to you and limited only by the imagination. That so many naturopaths and holistic health practitioners out there can't help pull this off for their patients/clients, instead of putting them on bags and bags of supplements, is beyond me. Because this level, in most cases, depending on the complexity of each individual's situation, should be a piece of cake for them.

Wow. Thank you a ton for that Nicholas. I'll look into all those things. Didnt know there were that many things we could do for this... I stopped putting coconut oil down there a while back because sometimes it worked and other times it created itching and stinging. Didn't know what was up with that so i stopped and now i see you wouldnt recommend it either so its all good.

So much more to catch up with every time i ask new questions lol... Ill see if i can send you the questionnaire tonight or tomorrow. Its been informative for me too since it tells the organs that are involved with my symptoms.... I like that.

Oh yes, umm... I dont want to take up too much of your time with this one so just give me a quick yes or no, should i be worried about getting enough protein somehow that wont cause pain? Or will everything work out with my diet like it is?

You almost have like a pdf or link for everything! I've never thought about going to a naturopath before. But now i see there is a chance some of them wont be able to do much for someone like me from what you are saying. That would almost be a shame because i think youll probably end up helping me all the way until the problem is gone, over a forum without even meeting each other or having a consultation... You are an angel for doing this. When i get there ill make a new thread called "pain free with Mr. Nicholas B" lol. BTW i was to say hi from my hubby. Hes grateful for the help youve given and we have agreed we wont let you go without giving you something in return for this in the end.

RoseKa wrote:Wow. Thank you a ton for that Nicholas. I'll look into all those things. Didnt know there were that many things we could do for this... I stopped putting coconut oil down there a while back because sometimes it worked and other times it created itching and stinging. Didn't know what was up with that so i stopped and now i see you wouldnt recommend it either so its all good.

So much more to catch up with every time i ask new questions lol... Ill see if i can send you the questionnaire tonight or tomorrow. Its been informative for me too since it tells the organs that are involved with my symptoms.... I like that.

Oh yes, umm... I dont want to take up too much of your time with this one so just give me a quick yes or no, should i be worried about getting enough protein somehow that wont cause pain? Or will everything work out with my diet like it is?

You almost have like a pdf or link for everything! I've never thought about going to a naturopath before. But now i see there is a chance some of them wont be able to do much for someone like me from what you are saying. That would almost be a shame because i think youll probably end up helping me all the way until the problem is gone, over a forum without even meeting each other or having a consultation... You are an angel for doing this. When i get there ill make a new thread called "pain free with Mr. Nicholas B" lol. BTW i was to say hi from my hubby. Hes grateful for the help youve given and we have agreed we wont let you go without giving you something in return for this in the end.

Hello once more!

No, you need not concern yourself with protein. Your diet already supplies amino acids (building blocks of protein) aplenty to account for and meet your current needs. It isn't a new find either that all sorts of tissue (nerve, muscle, hair, etc.) can be built without so-called "protein foods." Every now and then there's someone experiencing the process of losing a lot weight down into the skinny state, "rounding the corner (reversing malabsorption and/or degenerated/inferior cells having been eliminated and replaced)," and putting on superior muscle-weight on the very same diet that took it off initially. Dr. Morse also talks about this in some of his videos, and here’s one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8K7rrOspA&t=1h18m45s (starting @ 1:18:45)



And we know so far that a diet of exclusively comprised of grapes can do it. That's if the person doesn't [understandably] chicken-out before it happens in fear that they'll lose too much weight. Of course all this takes transition and the awareness of how to approach this wisely.

Forgive the extended answer.

And my goodness, please don't make that thread, haha. I'll be just fine without the extra attention. You say hello to him from me and let him know I'm honored to help make a positive difference in someone's life.

Believe me, being able to relay frequently requested information through updatable PDF documents saves you a whole lot of time. And then better yet when people can publicly access them, so in many cases they don’t have to send you a question in the first place (hence also why the FAQ section on GrapeGate is so extensive and some of the answers being 2-3 pages long). So it’s well worth all the time put into piecing it all together. In a few years time I think it'll become a phenomenal complementary, self-help resource-database for those that are serious about getting their health back (or achieving it for the first time) - because it's built on a strong foundation, along with a growing community that's ready to support each other.

Take care!

Ah ok. Good to know, just wanted to be sure... Thanks for the information. Food for thought. Late at night yesterday i got the chills, a strong headache and then a fever which lasted maybe 3 or 4 hours... But here is the weird thing, during the fever my vulva pain was barely there. It felt more like a series of fingernails pushing into the skin very lightly. When the fever left, the pain slowly increased again. I would almost do anything to experience that again lol. My shoulders now arent so tight anymore. Was this a healing crisis i went through like Dr M talks about??

BTW i sent you the questionnaire to your info e-mail. Hope you got it.

Okay, no thread with your name on it then lol

RoseKa wrote:Ah ok. Good to know, just wanted to be sure... Thanks for the information. Food for thought. Late at night yesterday i got the chills, a strong headache and then a fever which lasted maybe 3 or 4 hours... But here is the weird thing, during the fever my vulva pain was barely there. It felt more like a series of fingernails pushing into the skin very lightly. When the fever left, the pain slowly increased again. I would almost do anything to experience that again lol. My shoulders now arent so tight anymore. Was this a healing crisis i went through like Dr M talks about??

BTW i sent you the questionnaire to your info e-mail. Hope you got it.

Okay, no thread with your name on it then lol

That's very interesting about the diminished pain. Apart from that, the symptoms you experienced were exemplary of a classic "healing crisis" or phase of elimination but to a mild extent. You got lymphatic circulation going in the shoulders, too, which is excellent.

It's promising though; if a little event like that could curb your pain to that level, I suspect you don't have long to go. But let's see how things unfold.

I received your questionnaire and will provide feedback as time permits.

RoseKa wrote:Okay, no thread with your name on it then lol

Thank you

Something new is happening... for 6 hours now the pain is less than before the healing crisis last night. But i am getting many little white bumps like tiny pimples all over the vulvar area.... They are not itchy or painful. But whatever is going on, this is the lowest my pain has been for so many hours straight since the beginning which makes me happy. I hope it doesnt go back up. Im guessing the tiny pimples is lymph coming out. This is the kind of marshmallow root i should use right? http://iherb.com/Starwest-Botanicals-Marshmallow-Root-Organic-1-lb/22577

Next month i think ill get the ointment or salves just in case...

One more thing... Do you have any advice for lower back pain? My hubby has this problem sometimes when he's required to do high intensity manual labor work. Heating pads help a little bit but he wanted to know if maybe you have some suggestions? His diet is more of a typical diet with a lot of junk food, beef, eggs, dairy etc etc (i still cook for him whenever he likes me to) and very little fruit.... He does get a share of my salads at dinner and he really likes it

Bless you

RoseKa wrote:Something new is happening... for 6 hours now the pain is less than before the healing crisis last night. But i am getting many little white bumps like tiny pimples all over the vulvar area.... They are not itchy or painful. But whatever is going on, this is the lowest my pain has been for so many hours straight since the beginning which makes me happy. I hope it doesnt go back up. Im guessing the tiny pimples is lymph coming out. This is the kind of marshmallow root i should use right? http://iherb.com/Starwest-Botanicals-Marshmallow-Root-Organic-1-lb/22577

Next month i think ill get the ointment or salves just in case...

Hey RoseKa,

That is correct, it is lymph carrying waste material, penetrating through the skin. Preferably one should sweat these wastes out or have them leave through elimination channels instead of seeing the formation of pimples/acne/boils/rashes/dermatitis/eczema/psoriasis/rosacea, etc.

If I were you, this is where I would really hit those pain relief breathing techniques frequently, as instructed, while maintaining the diet and anything else you're doing. And keep doing them frequently on a daily basis until the pain is gone, continuing another 7-14 days after that to give the tissues a chance to heal.

That's the marshmallow root, yes. I have a bag of it here from the same company. If you get it, make the cold infusion and apply it several times, then please let me know what you experience.

RoseKa wrote:One more thing... Do you have any advice for lower back pain? My hubby has this problem sometimes when he's required to do high intensity manual labor work. Heating pads help a little bit but he wanted to know if maybe you have some suggestions? His diet is more of a typical diet with a lot of junk food, beef, eggs, dairy etc etc (i still cook for him whenever he likes me to) and very little fruit.... He does get a share of my salads at dinner and he really likes it

Bless you

As for the lower back pain, this also ties in with the kidneys specifically, and so do the knees.

Tell him will have to change his diet. I.e., just like with you, he must plug the hole in the bottom of the boat instead of only trying to drain the water from the boat one bucket at a time, only to ultimately get nowhere in the long run because the water keeps pouring in. Using buckets only is what you see within the medical profession and among most "alternative" practitioners including naturopaths, herbalists, and you name it. But there are very effective or sometimes necessary buckets we have to use temporarily (e.g. surgery, medications to keep someone alive, etc.). But they just give you buckets without telling you how to fix the hole the water is pouring in from (mostly because they don't even know how to), meaning you will be dependent on those buckets for, well, the remainder of your life many times.

Heating pads and castor oil packs are very popular and useful buckets, and this is one situation where I would recommend castor oil packs, but also kidney supporting herbs. However, you might not need any of it, because I'll explain one of the techniques I used on my knees as mentioned earlier, as well as having used the same technique to take pain out of my right hip (the price I pay for eating too many nuts in one sitting). I was able to reduce the pain in the right hip in less than 30 seconds or so and have it gone in 10 minutes. But what did I fail to do? Apply the technique frequently even after it begins to feel good or the pain is out so the tissues can heal properly, thus the pain returned and I just have to repeat the process and stay with it.

What do these techniques do?

"It will help dissipate the trapped clustered [blood] proteins, turn the electric generators [sodium-potassium pumps] on in the cell, and let the oxygenated blood get to the cells to help relieve the pain and cause the healing process to take place." ~ C. Samuel West, The Golden Seven Plus One, p. 61

Dr. C. Samuel West, whom I've mentioned earlier in this thread, had a pain relief clinic for some years before he gave up everything to begin publicly lecturing on the lymphatic system and the blood protein research in 1976. During his life he was helping people relieve pain for over 30 years and became very good at it. But not only did he help people relieve their pain, he also showed them how to do it themselves (or with a partner for difficult-to-reach spots like the mid to upper back, or people in wheelchairs, etc.) so they wouldn't need him anymore. While he was running his pain clinic, he ended up putting himself out of business twice because he refused to just treat people's symptoms once he knew they could take out the pain and heal it without his help.

He developed a number of 'Self-Help Speed Healing' techniques that one can learn and thereafter go on to customize one's own approach according one's needs and circumstances. These are the techniques I'm learning.

I'll try to explain the one specific for lower back pain (it's so much easier to demonstrate visually):

It was past I.S.L. president, Waldemar Lech Olszewski, M.D., from Poland, who proved that a technique Dr. West calls the 'bioelectric light, fast stroke' will move the lymphatic system by generating electricity.

"When you slide across the carpet, can you generate electricity? Well, we have learned that electricity can help relieve pain whether it be generated from an electrical device or from this new technique of 'a light-fast-stroke.'" ~ C. Samuel West, The Golden Seven Plus One, p. 60

The above statement is why I mentioned we can do the same thing that the magnets do, but in many cases WITHOUT the need for magnets as well as magnetic beds, electrodes, chi machines, acupuncture needles, or other machines and devices.

This technique is basically carried out as follows:

Relax your hand(s) and move it very quickly, with very light pressure across the area of your body (your hand doesn't even have to make contact with the skin). In your hubby's case, it will be his back.

This will be difficult to do for the mid to upper back area without help from a partner, but most can reach just below the mid to lower back area.

With a partner:

He can lie on his stomach and have you hold one hand still while stroking down the other lower half of his back in a downward motion around 7-10 times. Then you hold the other hand still and stroke down the other lower half of his back. Then both hands down the middle of the back. He may need to stroke over the buttocks as well (this is when it's good to have someone you can trust help you). After that, you can sit by him and stroke all around his back with that quick motion, always leaving one hand still on the body.

As you can see, the technique is free to do and it's simple and straightforward. And I'd say he should notice a good difference within 15-30 minutes. But if you can help him for up to 1 hour that would be even better.

Without a partner:

If he was alone and couldn't get someone to help him, he can stand up, put his hands over his hips (thumbs towards the front and fingers on his back) and stroke one hand down 7-10 times while the other hand stays still. Then the other side, and then both down the center of the back. He must do this every five minutes for the first half hour, and then every half hour for the rest of the day on the first day. Then at least every hour on the second day.

Dr. West used to put people's hips in place over and over again with this technique. I recently found a video by his youngest son (Daniel West) who demonstrates the solo version of this technique in a quick video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVy_CrTEnGo


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Light-Fast-Stroke for vulva pain:

So the big question is: can you apply the light-fast-stroke on the vulvar area? The answer is you can do it anywhere on the body. But what you will do different just about anywhere else, is that you will place one hand over the navel (this is where a bunch of lymphatic vessels meet and tie into a knot), which Dr. West referred to as an "electrical power socket" that you can tap into, then use the other hand to perform the strokes. You should wear clothing to avoid stroking with too much pressure causing discomfort, if the skin is sensitive.

Any direction you stroke in will work. Starting at the bottom and swiftly stroking upward, or stroking from one side toward the other will probably be the easiest.

You should apply this for:

• 15 seconds every 5 minutes the first half hour; then
  
• 15 seconds every 30 minutes for the rest of the 1st day; then
  
• 15 seconds every hour on the 2nd day; then
  
• 15 seconds several times a week thereafter for a couple of months.
  

But if in pain, you apply it on the hour (or every 30 minutes if you can), every waking hour for as many days as it takes, following day 2.

Combine this with the deep breathing techniques and you'll do well. When you apply the light-fast-stroke, breathe deeply.

Because of the simplicity of these techniques, Dr. West never showed or taught anyone how to do them BEFORE first giving them the understanding and research behind how and why they work, which is what would give people the faith to apply the techniques for many hours at a time for serious injuries, without stopping.
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Man, I'll end up having written a book on this thread, haha.

Whichever of these tips (or analogical buckets) you decide to incorporate, please let me know what you experience, especially as it may help others. I certainly think you have plenty of tools now to take out the pain and support the body in healing the vulva. And the light-fast-stroke is just one of several techniques and effective buckets.

Disclaimer: As I'm not a medical doctor, you'll have to take any of the aforementioned advice at your own discretion.

THANK YOU Nicholas. Your like a treasure of information!

We agreed we will start tonight and then work on this all weekend starting tomorrow after he is back from work... we will take take this weekend off for ourselves and just relax and do this. I ordered the marshmallow.... the pain is still low and hasn't increased again since the pimples started coming up. I did some breathing exercises, the first one from your article and just deep inhales and exhales. I felt really calm after. Its really refreshing too. I will update you on what happens as we go... Do i have to stand up when i do the stroking on myself? Or can i sit/lie down?

Btw just to make sure you know, im still taking ginger and turmeric capsules in case that influences anything

RoseKa wrote:THANK YOU Nicholas. Your like a treasure of information!

We agreed we will start tonight and then work on this all weekend starting tomorrow after he is back from work... we will take take this weekend off for ourselves and just relax and do this. I ordered the marshmallow.... the pain is still low and hasn't increased again since the pimples started coming up. I did some breathing exercises, the first one from your article and just deep inhales and exhales. I felt really calm after. Its really refreshing too. I will update you on what happens as we go... Do i have to stand up when i do the stroking on myself? Or can i sit/lie down?

Btw just to make sure you know, im still taking ginger and turmeric capsules in case that influences anything

Sounds like a good plan you two have; that's the spirit. This would be a good opportunity to apply the techniques even more frequently if you're not doing anything else anyway. Again, in case you don't come on the forum over the weekend, if you achieve relief of pain, whether partially or completely - and especially if you do - then DON'T STOP. Just keep going. As for your hubby's back pain, you should be able to have that gone completely over the weekend. You'll be the best private, at-home chiropractor he'll ever have.

Should he refuse to change his diet, he'll just have to make these techniques a mainstay in his life to help keep the back in shape and free from pain.

When you do the light-fast-stroking on yourself, you can do it in any position you'll be comfortable with. So that's personal preference.

You can keep up the ginger and turmeric, no problem. So far I'd say they've contributed largely to the decrease in pain you had in the beginning after you started taking them.

Any luck finding a blood pressure monitor yet?

Hi again Nicholas

Its mind boggling... how can something so simple work so fast? We started last night. I worked on my hubby's back like you said for a little over 20 minutes. He then stopped me and said "wait, let me get up and walk around a little bit". The pain had gone way down at this point... then i showed him Daniel's video and told him to try working on himself... He did that for another 20 minutes or so with a few breaks. I had to remind him about breathing deeply. All i can tell you is he left for work this morning with no pain in his body, but i told him the back pain could come back during the day because like you said we have to keep working on it for a while so it can heal, which we will do all weekend starting when he comes back home from work today

In the past we have tried acupuncture a few times and a massage therapist twice but they didnt bring his pain down so fast and he still had to wait another 1 or 2 weeks before the pain would go away on its own which is why we decided to rely more on the heating pad. That is until the next time he had to do strenuous physical work putting stress on the back and creating pain. But what youve showed us here doesnt even cost anything to do lol... Thank you for letting us know about it

I know its probably going to be awkward for him and me since its the vulvar area, but when my arms get tired from the stroking, can he do the stroking on me in that area? And should he then have one hand covering his belly button while using the other hand?

I will try to talk to him about diet change later.

I decided to order a device for the blood pressure so we can have our own... should be here soon

RoseKa wrote:Hi again Nicholas

Its mind boggling... how can something so simple work so fast? We started last night. I worked on my hubby's back like you said for a little over 20 minutes. He then stopped me and said "wait, let me get up and walk around a little bit". The pain had gone way down at this point... then i showed him Daniel's video and told him to try working on himself... He did that for another 20 minutes or so with a few breaks. I had to remind him about breathing deeply. All i can tell you is he left for work this morning with no pain in his body, but i told him the back pain could come back during the day because like you said we have to keep working on it for a while so it can heal, which we will do all weekend starting when he comes back home from work today

In the past we have tried acupuncture a few times and a massage therapist twice but they didnt bring his pain down so fast and he still had to wait another 1 or 2 weeks before the pain would go away on its own which is why we decided to rely more on the heating pad. That is until the next time he had to do strenuous physical work putting stress on the back and creating pain. But what youve showed us here doesnt even cost anything to do lol... Thank you for letting us know about it

I know its probably going to be awkward for him and me since its the vulvar area, but when my arms get tired from the stroking, can he do the stroking on me in that area? And should he then have one hand covering his belly button while using the other hand?

I will try to talk to him about diet change later.

I decided to order a device for the blood pressure so we can have our own... should be here soon

Excellent news!

And exactly, the techniques are simple, yet effective. Hence why Dr. West said during a presentation:

"You see, I don't teach you anything before I give you the background so you can understand it. That's why when we teach you these pain relief concepts, you're not going to go home and say 'hey, look at this somthing...,' [because] they're gonna think it's so simple they will not understand what you're doing and you can turn them off, true or false? If somebody comes to me for help, I don't care what it is, I never help them until I explain why it works, because I want them to understand that I'm not a miracle-man. All I'm doing is explaining scientifically at the cell level what heals, the life processes, [then] they get the understanding, then they're going to go use it."

It's wonderful to hear that he is pain free, so let's see if it's the same when he gets home from work. But definitely keep it up either way.

As for him doing the light-fast-stroke on your vulva with a hand over the navel, that's a good question. Whenever I've seen them demonstrate (Applied Lymphology Course) the stroking technique having one person do it on another, it was always the back and shoulders they were working on and the partner applying the stroke technique never had their hand placed over the navel. So I'd almost think you could do it either way with a partner. But I'll say try having your hubby place one hand on his navel and use the other for the stroking.

There are other techniques that might be more appropriate for your hubby to use on you there, but they're fairly difficult to explain through text (and one of them even somewhat difficult to understand from Dr. West's book when you compare the instructions between the book and the live audience demonstration). So just try the light-fast-stroke for the time being.

Remember to breathe deeply when he applies the technique on you.

You have a great weekend!

My hubby came home an hour ago.... he told me the pain came back at work but only a little bit, so what he did was take a 10 minute break two times during the day and he stroked his back during those breaks again like Daniel in the video. He got the pain out fully the 2nd time and now has no pain again. He forgot to do the deep breathing but it still worked... We love this lol. Just imagine how many people this could help and it doesn't cost anything to do it...

So we're about to clean up and make things neat and tidy, then we'll put on some relaxing music... gotta have me some Coldplay and Bryan Adams first tho... im gonna make a  serving tray of some fruit and veggie snacks and small shots of different juices for the two of us, then we go to work on each other. Im excited lol

Btw the tiny pimples and surrounding redness on my vulva is slowly fading away which i hope is a good thing.

Youve been a blessing to us Nicholas. You have a good weekend too!

RoseKa wrote:My hubby came home an hour ago.... he told me the pain came back at work but only a little bit, so what he did was take a 10 minute break two times during the day and he stroked his back during those breaks again like Daniel in the video. He got the pain out fully the 2nd time and now has no pain again. He forgot to do the deep breathing but it still worked... We love this lol. Just imagine how many people this could help and it doesn't cost anything to do it...

So we're about to clean up and make things neat and tidy, then we'll put on some relaxing music... gotta have me some Coldplay and Bryan Adams first tho... im gonna make a  serving tray of some fruit and veggie snacks and small shots of different juices for the two of us, then we go to work on each other. Im excited lol

Btw the tiny pimples and surrounding redness on my vulva is slowly fading away which i hope is a good thing.

Youve been a blessing to us Nicholas. You have a good weekend too!

Haha. Hope you two had fun!

The pimples and redness going away signals that whatever was being expelled through the skin in that area is finished being expelled (possibly just for the time being).

Hi Nicholas. We did enjoy ourselves.

I want to give you an update on how we're doing so far tho it hasnt even been 2 days yet. My hubby has had zero back pain since he did it himself at work like i mentioned... we still worked on his lower back for 2 1-hour sessions... but we are even more excited about me because all the stroking created a sort of cooling effect in the whole area down there but especially just above the opening and clitoris.... It also feels like there is a little numbing sensation going on but if i was to say my pain was 100% in the beginning on the day i decided to change my diet, i would say it is now down to 20%. The pain actually doesnt bother me much or make me cringe now. Its a very mild burn and stinging and very warm water still doesnt cause a flare or anything

I think we stroked the vulva area for almost 8 hours straight at one point yesterday because once i noticed the pain going down more and more every couple of hours we couldnt stop.. I really understand Dr West now... if you had told me to do this when i first asked for your help with questions i probably wouldnt have listened lol

But here is the best part... the last about 1 hour before we decided to sleep was like a small miracle for me... there was NO pain, just that cooling effect. I knew there was still work to do and the pain would probably come back by the time i woke up again this morning which it did and is now at what i would say is 20%. But that was the first time ive been free of pain for so long in years apart from when i first started taking pain meds which worked for a few days but became less and less effective as the weeks went by (this is why i was eventually put on bloody antidepressants)...

My hubby recorded an audio clip on his laptop saying "time to breathe!" with a funny voice... It was set to automatically repeat every 30 minutes so we didnt forget... but i sid forget the two breathing techniques you told me to try so ill have to try those... We are going to start again today in an hour and work on the vulva until bed time. Our arms will probably be shot this week lol

In case i have no need for it when it arrives, what else can i do with the marshmallow root?

And can you recommend some natural toothpaste?

I forgot to tell you also that my appointment with my doctor was rescheduled for this tuesday in case you were wondering

RoseKa wrote:Hi Nicholas. We did enjoy ourselves.

I want to give you an update on how we're doing so far tho it hasnt even been 2 days yet. My hubby has had zero back pain since he did it himself at work like i mentioned... we still worked on his lower back for 2 1-hour sessions... but we are even more excited about me because all the stroking created a sort of cooling effect in the whole area down there but especially just above the opening and clitoris.... It also feels like there is a little numbing sensation going on but if i was to say my pain was 100% in the beginning on the day i decided to change my diet, i would say it is now down to 20%. The pain actually doesnt bother me much or make me cringe now. Its a very mild burn and stinging and very warm water still doesnt cause a flare or anything

I think we stroked the vulva area for almost 8 hours straight at one point yesterday because once i noticed the pain going down more and more every couple of hours we couldnt stop.. I really understand Dr West now... if you had told me to do this when i first asked for your help with questions i probably wouldnt have listened lol

But here is the best part... the last about 1 hour before we decided to sleep was like a small miracle for me... there was NO pain, just that cooling effect. I knew there was still work to do and the pain would probably come back by the time i woke up again this morning which it did and is now at what i would say is 20%. But that was the first time ive been free of pain for so long in years apart from when i first started taking pain meds which worked for a few days but became less and less effective as the weeks went by (this is why i was eventually put on bloody antidepressants)...

My hubby recorded an audio clip on his laptop saying "time to breathe!" with a funny voice... It was set to automatically repeat every 30 minutes so we didnt forget... but i sid forget the two breathing techniques you told me to try so ill have to try those... We are going to start again today in an hour and work on the vulva until bed time. Our arms will probably be shot this week lol

In case i have no need for it when it arrives, what else can i do with the marshmallow root?

Brilliant Roseka; phenomenal news!

You two keep working at it. Get that pain out. Although I learned through the course how fast these techniques can work, I'm still partially surprised it would produce results like that so fast, particularly since it's been part of your life for years, you mentioned? On the other hand, working on something like that for 8 hours straight (or longer if that is what it would require) may seem like forever to some people and they'd give up quickly I'd bet.

But hey, a handful of hours, days, weeks, several months or a few years of dietary and lifestyle practices, as well as implementing the use of various "buckets" (as talked about earlier) to effectuate the healing of whatever one is dealing with to the point that one is satisfied vs. living with these chronic health condition(s) for the rest of one's life. Take your pick.

And boy, I tell you, a lot of people do choose to live with these things for whichever reason (ignorance; liking the attention they receive from it; not being willing to change diet and/or lifestyle; not consciously ready for it or the awareness isn't there; they think it's absolutely impossible because the medical profession has remained in the dark ages since the 1930s - and has met no major, game-changing breakthroughs since 1963 (Dr. H.S. Mayerson's blood-protein research - conclusively proving and documenting Cecil K. Drinker's work carried out in the 1930s - published in Scientific American, which was embraced and documented in December of 1964 by the American Medical Association in their at-the-time official 'Today's Health' journal, followed up with a condensed article in January 1965 by Reader's Digest and then buried in 1966, ignored and the opposite, old research from before 1930 was brought back again which has remained and been taught ever since) - hence the medical profession doesn't understand or have the answer for the cause of anything other than to default back on their usual terminology incl. 'autoimmune', 'genetics', 'infection', 'age', and the oh-so-helpful 'it's all in your head', and can't do hardly anything [about any chronic problems, not even some of the easiest conditions] to this day; etc.).

As Dr. Morse states,

"Twenty-five years ago [now 42+ years in 2014] I opened a health clinic that I still manage. Based on my
experiences I can tell you that there are no incurable diseases, only incurable people."

So the best you can do sometimes is just plant the seeds and walk away and remain as detached as you can, because sometimes it's the loved ones closest to us that won't change, even when they've seen you go through the transformation firsthand.

RoseKa wrote:And can you recommend some natural toothpaste?
I forgot to tell you also that my appointment with my doctor was rescheduled for this tuesday in case you were wondering

As for toothpastes and other personal care products, check question #8 here:
http://grapegate.com/faq#gettingstartedfaq

Imagine if you could go to the doctor on Tuesday pain free. I'd certainly aim for that, because it may be achievable. Should that be the case, maybe write him a paper on what you did and insist that he puts it in his pocket until he gets home. If he cares, the two of you may have an interesting conversation for your following appointment.
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As for the marshmallow root, the cold infusion can be used for other things as well:
http://www.learningherbs.com/marshmallow_root.html

More progress between yesterday and today Nicholas!!

Again yesterday some time before falling asleep i had that pain free and cool sensation since we had been working on it for some hours straight.... its like someone is blowing a little slightly cool air on my skin when it happens... i woke up at 4:21 AM with a little stinging. I decided to work on it for almost 45 minutes while my hubby was still asleep, and i got the stinging to stop. Instead of relaxing me, this time the deep breathing made me feel refreshed and ready to get up at a little over 5 AM so i started the day early.
Right now there is no pain, its just very tender if i put pressure on or around the vulva. Still not gonna get overly excited yet but once hubby comes home from work today we're heading out to celebrate the progress ive made so far. Now im actually scared about going to a restaurant, eat some wrong food and maybe somehow causing a stupid pain flare... but we'll see

I will write that letter to give my doctor even if im not all pain free tomorrow... because an 80% reduction in pain, maybe even 95% or more now, like im experiencing, is something he at least needs to know about... then the rest is up to him. He can look at me like im an alien again if he wants to But i dont think they are allowed to talk to their patients about diet change, vegan diet, raw food etc etc anyway. Its really, i dont know... but sad.

Thanks for the natural products list! Time saver..

I know what you mean... like my hubby, he smokes a lot, he knows its horrible for him and sometimes has episodes of coughing with a lot of phlegm, but he keeps going. Ive only tried 2 times in the past to encourage him to stop but that was hopeless... my father is also still alive and kicking and... smoking... a LOT! Maybe there is something both of them can take just to help their lungs survive the abuse? lol

I was just thinking that i will soon be able to wear panties again instead of loose boxers... and also no more sleeping with pillows between legs, showering in lukewarm or a little cold water to avoid a burn/stinging flare, or having to be completely naked down there... all these little things can mean so much when they all add up. Im getting better and better by the day but i gotta tell you that stroking my vulva for all those hours let alone having someone else do it is just about the strangest thing ive done in all my 35 years but it works lol

RoseKa wrote:More progress between yesterday and today Nicholas!!

Again yesterday some time before falling asleep i had that pain free and cool sensation since we had been working on it for some hours straight.... its like someone is blowing a little slightly cool air on my skin when it happens... i woke up at 4:21 AM with a little stinging. I decided to work on it for almost 45 minutes while my hubby was still asleep, and i got the stinging to stop. Instead of relaxing me, this time the deep breathing made me feel refreshed and ready to get up at a little over 5 AM so i started the day early.
Right now there is no pain, its just very tender if i put pressure on or around the vulva. Still not gonna get overly excited yet but once hubby comes home from work today we're heading out to celebrate the progress ive made so far. Now im actually scared about going to a restaurant, eat some wrong food and maybe somehow causing a stupid pain flare... but we'll see

I will write that letter to give my doctor even if im not all pain free tomorrow... because an 80% reduction in pain, maybe even 95% or more now, like im experiencing, is something he at least needs to know about... then the rest is up to him. He can look at me like im an alien again if he wants to But i dont think they are allowed to talk to their patients about diet change, vegan diet, raw food etc etc anyway. Its really, i dont know... but sad.

Thanks for the natural products list! Time saver..

I know what you mean... like my hubby, he smokes a lot, he knows its horrible for him and sometimes has episodes of coughing with a lot of phlegm, but he keeps going. Ive only tried 2 times in the past to encourage him to stop but that was hopeless... my father is also still alive and kicking and... smoking... a LOT! Maybe there is something both of them can take just to help their lungs survive the abuse? lol

I was just thinking that i will soon be able to wear panties again instead of loose boxers... and also no more sleeping with pillows between legs, showering in lukewarm or a little cold water to avoid a burn/stinging flare, or having to be completely naked down there... all these little things can mean so much when they all add up. Im getting better and better by the day but i gotta tell you that stroking my vulva for all those hours let alone having someone else do it is just about the strangest thing ive done in all my 35 years but it works lol

Sublime, you're making headway, RoseKa.

Well, if you do cause a flare at the restaurant, which I doubt will happen, if you keep the menu selection clean, at least you now know one way of activating your lymphatic system and increasing circulation to the vulva. You can apply the same techniques with 1st and - once emergency preliminary steps have been taken - also 2nd degree burns, to relieve pain faster and speed up the healing process. Consider the "flare" as playing with fire and unfortunately getting burned- but on the inside instead of the outside. The healing process remains the same either way.

The best supplement I can advise for the smoking gentlemen is a phenomenal supplement called 'Quit-Smoking-First-Then-Repair-Your-Lungs-After'. No, but seriously, they can do some good with various products, but they'll eventually undo that good if they maintain the habit and continue to defile their lungs and body with smoke.

You can always sneak some tinctured lobelia into your hubby's juice/soda and wait for him to talk about how bad his cigarettes have suddenly begun to taste.

Dr. Morse has a 'Lung Tonic II' (chronic) herbal formula and '3-Lung Tea' herbal tea blend. For the tea, you can either get his or acquire the 3 different herbs in bulk (cut & sifted) and make your own. Of course that is given that your hubby will even drink the tea.

Say hello to your doctor for me tomorrow. Keep me posted.

I should have the feedback regarding your health questionnaire ready within the next 2 days.

Just wanted to share with you another video (uploaded today) wherein Dr. Morse addresses vaginitis and vulvodynia. He mentions Rita (Ria) in it as well.

Starting at 1:22:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC6EMF61DzI&t=1h22m15s

Okay Nicholas im back. Its been a busy two days around here and ive been able to finally enjoy myself and have a fun time with my husband, family and girlfriends. Ive been to 2 restaurants without any problems and best of all no damn flares! And you know what... i ended up going to the doctor free of pain yesterday, with just the tenderness if i apply pressure on the vulva... The tenderness has gone down too. Im SO thankful to finally be getting rid of this freaking misery!! I guess i owe that to you and the docs. A big *muah* to you, and Rita, and Dr Morse and Dr West!

I gave my doc a letter i wrote like we discussed here. I think it will be fun seeing him next time lol...He didnt believe my diet or supplements had anything to do with my progress and i definitely didnt bother telling him about the light fast stroke cause i would probably be looked at as an alien with 2 heads instead of 1 lol, but i told him that diet might have no effect in his world, but it surely does in mine... and that other people have been doing the same to heal different issues with good results

We did my blood pressures again and they are now 123/68 left arm, 122/65 right arm. My blood pressures last time almost 2 weeks ago were 129/74, 126/72. The new numbers are good right? At least the doc said they are... I will send you the details about my blood test and will appreciate if you will take a look at it for me

Im glad to see Dr M talk about vulvodynia. So many of us ladies need all the help we can get with this and i guess more importantly is we need to know it can be reversed... i have to say bless Rita for starting this thread otherwise you wouldnt be here and my god i would still be hurting badly... Btw i havent done the light fast stroking or deep breathing for 2 days so ill make sure to do a little before i go to sleep and then start tomorrow and also do it this weekend. If i can get the tenderness gone then its finally over.... the tiny pimples are gone and there is only some minor redness left.

I talked with my hubby and he will drink the tea if i get it for him so at least thats a step in the right direction

RoseKa wrote:Okay Nicholas im back. Its been a busy two days around here and ive been able to finally enjoy myself and have a fun time with my husband, family and girlfriends. Ive been to 2 restaurants without any problems and best of all no damn flares! And you know what...  i ended up going to the doctor free of pain yesterday, with just the tenderness if i apply pressure on the vulva... The tenderness has gone down too. Im SO thankful to finally be getting rid of this freaking misery!! I guess i owe that to you and the docs. A big *muah* to you, and Rita, and Dr Morse and Dr West!

I gave my doc a letter i wrote like we discussed here. I think it will be fun seeing him next time lol...He didnt believe my diet or supplements had anything to do with my progress and i definitely didnt bother telling him about the light fast stroke cause i would probably be looked at as an alien with 2 heads instead of 1 lol, but i told him that diet might have no effect in his world, but it surely does in mine... and that other people have been doing the same to heal different issues with good results

We did my blood pressures again and they are now 123/68 left arm, 122/65 right arm. My blood pressures last time almost 2 weeks ago were 129/74, 126/72. The new numbers are good right? At least the doc said they are... I will send you the details about my blood test and will appreciate if you will take a look at it for me

Im glad to see Dr M talk about vulvodynia. So many of us ladies need all the help we can get with this and i guess more importantly is we need to know it can be reversed... i have to say bless Rita for starting this thread otherwise you wouldnt be here and my god i would still be hurting badly... Btw i havent done the light fast stroking or deep breathing for 2 days so ill make sure to do a little before i go to sleep and then start tomorrow and also do it this weekend. If i can get the tenderness gone then its finally over.... the tiny pimples are gone and there is only some minor redness left.

I talked with my hubby and he will drink the tea if i get it for him so at least thats a step in the right direction

Hey RoseKa,

I'm thrilled with your progress! Once it's completely over, you'll be the third person I'm currently aware of who did what needed to be done and healed this particular condition at its root without suppressing or masking symptoms. And because you personally went through it, you'll easily become more capable of helping others with this than me (I'm a male after all ); all I've done is laid out the tools and learning material. I also think you'll end up having done it in a much shorter timeframe than Rita and Josie, too, from when you began.

So kudos to you for sticking with the diet and more recently also the techniques; keep it up. Fruits and vegetables, some herbs, some learning, some dedication (well, sometimes a lot of it), and PATIENCE; in most cases it's really that simple regardless of what they label the condition, so I hope this thread in time may benefit others on this forum. Not everyone vibes with the simplicity of focusing on fulfilling the conditions of health so that the condition can leave of its own accord, instead of trying to fight a "disease," and that's definitely one thing you learn as a practitioner. So all you can do sometimes is just wish them the best chasing endless treatments in all the forms they come in. It's much like the ancient Chinese proverb that goes something along the lines of:

“A person is shown a stream of water flowing into a stagnant pond. He is first given a bucket and asked to commence to drain the pond. If he first takes steps to effectively dam the inflow to the pond he is adjudged sane. If, on the other hand, he ignores the inflow and tries to empty the pond bucket by bucket he is designated as insane.”

Changing diet and lifestyle constitutes damming the inflow to the pond and thereafter proceeding to empty it.

Anyway, I suppose this'll soon spell the end of your "vulvodynia" chapter and the beginning of your next chapter, wherever the next phase of your journey will take you. I'm happy to have been of help so far; it's what we do.

I don't know your shape and what you look like, but maintain this focus on health through the coming years and you'll witness your body transform in ways you didn't think were achievable - and better yet - you stay free of so-called degenerative "diseases."

I've finished and sent you my feedback regarding your questionnaire. I also had to finish up an article for GrapeGate in the meantime, which I published a number of hours ago, so I'll begin looking at your blood work over the weekend.

Your blood pressure is improving still. When your diastolic (bottom number) hits very near 60, I suspect your systolic will fall somewhere just below 120, so that'll be a minor weakness to rectify. Which shouldn't be difficult.

As for your hubby, his lungs will thank him. But keep encouraging him to decrease the smoking bit by bit which is most important. It'll be easier for him to do this if he changes the diet also so he's not constantly running on stimulants.